The Skinny on Scant 1/4″ Seams
Bummer! News Flash! All scant 1/4″ feet are NOT created equal!
First, because there is some confusion out there… here’s why you want to do a “scant” 1/4 inch seam (stitching slightly to the right of the 1/4″ actual mark on your fabric) instead of a full 1/4″ seam (which is done by stitching *on* the 1/4″ mark of a seam allowance):
In order to get all of the pieces of a quilt to go together accurately, your finished result of each piece should measure exactly to the desired specifications. So let’s say that you want four 1″ finished squares that are going to be sewn up against one 4″ finished square. You want the first and last seam of those little 1″ pieces to line up perfectly with the edges of the 4″ piece.
This means that you’re going to start with four 1.5″ cut squares (that after absorbing 1/4″ on each side – losing a total of 1/2″ of seam allowance fabric – will finish to 1″ each) and that 4″ square started out as a 4.5″ square before you sewed it.
Right? With me on this?
OK.. so about those seams. If you sew the seam directly on the 1/4″ mark, once you press the seam open, looking from the topside, you are going to lose the amount of fabric that is directly under the stitching line as well as there is an ever-so-slight “valley” of fabric from the right side that dips down into the seam stitching. The end result, if you stitch directly on the stitching line, is that you have lost slightly more than 1/4″ of fabric to the seam – meaning your finished square will be slightly smaller than 1″.
If you do this 4 times (as in my example) it’s not difficult to imagine that you could be dealing with a large difference of finished edge between the one 4″ solid piece and the other piece that was supposed to be made up of four 1″ pieces. The four 1″ pieces could easily shrink to be 3.75″ or 3.5″ if their seams were even just a little too big.
So, it’s essential to sew your seams slightly less (aka: “scant”) of 1/4″ to compensate for the stitching line itself and the “valley”.
So back to our example… read on and see what happened to me because of a foot that wasn’t accurate …
I decided I needed something mindless, with meditative qualities, to do on some of my down time. To that end, I decided to make a truly “scrappy” quilt. “Scrappy” in the true, literal sense of the word. So a few months ago, when I was cutting out my “real ” projects, I would take the scraps and cut them into 1.5″, 2.5″, 3.5″, and 4.5″ squares. Those little squares started to accumulate quickly!
Combine this with the fact that I started this year on my stash-free, newly reincarnated sewing hobby (after about a 10 year hiatus!) with a whopping head start of about $2,000 worth of quilting cotton fabric from my GCLSAo2012 (Known to many in my realm as the Great Craigslist Stash Acquisition of 2012).
Let’s just say… I got scraps up the wazoooooo.
So a few months ago, when I was feeling brain dead but just wanted to sew something to relax, I started to put these squares together. This is truly a random, SCRAP quilt. I did not intend to bond with it or anything like that… it was just supposed to be somethin’ to humor me from my Dr. Phil Family life when I wanted to sew but didn’t want to have to think.
I fully expect this quilt to be used someday in a future RV. I visualize it being used at a campfire… or a picnic… or out on the boat. (For those that don’t know… I use my sewing time as the closest thing I’ll ever get to meditating – real meditating just makes me fall asleep! lol) Anyway, think: mental picture of spending time in the beautiful, peaceful out-of-doors with this quilt made up of true scraps from my various projects. The ultimate goal is not the quilt… but to manifest the times I intend to create it for. Get it?
So do I care if the seams match up perfectly?!?!? Uhhh… I didn’t think I would care…. but O.M.G. … I was totally shocked to find out how disturbing it is to screw up on this thing that I fully intended to *not* care about!
I originally had put a hundred or two of the little squares together in twosies and strung them from my sewing area lamp a month or two ago. They looked cute hanging there. How artistic!
In other words… to any visitor… it at least looked like I was doing something with my sewing machine!!
So back to the 1/4″ seam dilemma*:
I had used the CLEAR VIEW JANOME FOOT to do some of the piecing. Or did I use the O2 foot a few months ago? Heck… who knows? And moreover, who cares? As my son would say: “My Give A Shitter was broken.”
Well, my GAS musta been broken a few months ago… and again this last week.
Anyway… the other night, while in the midst of the-hell-of-moving-to-the-new-house, I decided to take a few minutes to play with my new Babylock Ellisimo Gold and see what kind of machine she is for piecing. (I’ve only had her in the house for about a month – of which she’s just been putting out beautiful embroidery work – I hadn’t tried really sewing on her – YET.)
So I quickly found out what a joy it is to piece on this machine. So smoooooth…. so quiet…. and the soft curved build of this machine (that some sewists just don’t seem to appreciate-nor did I in the beginning!) really created a pleasurable mini-vacay from doing all of the stuff I should have been doing.
Oh… and that hover/pivot/whatever-they-call-it function is to die for. I disengaged the foot pedal, used the start/stop button, and enjoyed plunking through a gazillion little 1.5″ pieces – turning them into twosies. It was so nice having the machine stop each little micro-seam with a needle down but foot slightly up movement. Very cool.
And the EG’s 1/4″ piecing foot has an added benefit of the guide blade extending farther forward of the foot – so it seemed easier to line up the fabric’s edge properly – and earlier – before it gets to the needle.
Anyway… my little mini vacay was doing great – UNTIL I went to add the new strip of 68 little 1″ squares to the already existing work I had done a month or two ago on the Horizon.
This is when I found out that all scant 1/4″ seam feet are sooooooooo *not* created equal!
I don’t want to go through the disgrace of showing you a picture of how far “off” the seams were!
Dang… I should know better. BUT… remember….. this Objet d’art is probably destined to grace a yet-to-be-found-much-less-aquired-retro-1976-era Airstream. It has a potential of being subjected to flying ashes at a bonfire….. or sticks and twigs poking holes in it at a picnic….. or at the very least… being slimed by a freshly caught uncontrollable fish that slips out of the hand while trying to be de-hooked on a 45 degree day of which no person in their right mind would be out on the lake fishing anyway! There’s the ugly reality of the out-of-doors! Not so romantic, eh?
I digress.
Again: Should I care if my seams are not perfectly matched up?!?!? Probably not. But oh…. I DO! I do care. It makes me nuts to not have something turn out.
So after seeing how horrible of a job I did stitchin’ this panel on to the original few panels… I decided to do some homework.
Earlier this summer, before embarking on the thought of becoming a quilter, I bought a PERFECT PIECING SEAM GUIDE made by PERKINS DRY GOODS. This little yellow ruler has a marking of a scant 1/4″ seam with an added feature of a hole just to the right of the line for the purpose of placing on your sewing machine and inserting the sewing machine needle through the hole. When the needle is in the hole of the ruler, and you lower your presser foot down onto the ruler, the ruler’s edge then shows you exactly where your fabric’s raw edge should be to create a perfect scant 1/4″ seam.
Now… one would think that this ruler’s edge would fit nicely up against the metal blade guides that are on all 1/4″ seam feet. Heck… these feet are designed for this purpose, right??? (Think again!)
I have no excuse. I own this ruler. I should have used it *before* stitchin’ that first stitch on any of these pieces. I should have used it on both machines. I should have dragged it out to check all three feet that I’ve used. But I didn’t . Because, remember, I wasn’t supposed to care about this project!
So what I found out: The O2 foot that came as standard equipment on my JANOME HORIZON 7700 doesn’t come close to producing a scant 1/4″ seam when used with the automatic single hole needle plate gizmo (which requires the needle to be in center position). Isn’t that somethin’? A well-marketed quilting machine that can’t quilt using the single hole needle plate with the 1/4″ foot!
So this makes me wonder how many miles of seams have been sewn on this machine with this foot by quilters all over the world… and the fitting troubles experienced by all of those fine sewists that don’t own (or like me – didn’t use) the PERFECT PIECING RULER. Bummer.
So here’s the pics and a few more comments on my experience:
First off, here’s the Janome dreaded 1/4″ seam foot:
If you look closely at the picture above, you’ll see that the ruler’s line matches up to the center needle position line on the 7700. No problem there. But then look at the edge of the ruler! It should be up against the blade of this O2 foot – and it’s not. Look at that big-ass (sorry) gap! I put a white piece of fabric under the foot so you could see the gap more clearly. Just look at the point of the seam ripper… that seam ripper is sideways in the gap.
I measured the seam ripper – that is almost a 1/16″ gap. Doesn’t sound like a big deal, does it? Well… it is. (Which I found out the hard way!) If the seam is eating up an extra 1/16″ of an inch on each piece of fabric (which it is) then that means that when you press this open, it really is 2 x 1/16″ = 1/8″ off-just on that one seam! That doesn’t sound like a big deal until you multiply that times 4 of these little buggers that were used to match up to a 4″ adjacent square. 8 of these little bites out of 4 little squares add up to a whopping 1/2″ off!
Such a bummer.
So then here is the CLEAR VIEW FOOT WITH GUIDE by JANOME (not to be confused with one that is sold out there without the guide!):
There’s no problem with the Clear View foot – it works well and it does create a nice, scant 1/4″ seam. Leah Day (daystyledesigns.com) also raves about her Horizon – but she also has a video somewhere in which she explains that she needed to find a better quilting foot and ultimately decided to use this Clear View foot as well as a solution.
And then lastly… here’s the 1/4″ QUILTING FOOT with GUIDE that came with the Ellisimo Gold – This one is my favorite to sew with:
Notice the nice, long guide blade that is on this foot. It was really very nice to sew with… and it created a perfect 1/4″ seam, too. One more feature: Look carefully at the edge of the foot between the foot and the guide in the front. See that gap?!?!? That is AWESOME for being able to see that the edge of your fabric is meeting that guide properly. It’s a very well thought out footsie!
Bonus deal: At the time of this writing, the foot above was on sale for under $10 !! – follow this link: 1/4″ inch Footsie . If you have Amazon Prime, it’s even free shipping! (and if you don’t have Amazon Prime, you should give it the free month’s trial.. I love it!)
There ya have it. I should have used my trusty ruler *before* stitching with any of the machines. I had the variables of two machines and three footsies. The culprit, this time, for me anyway, is the O2 foot that caused a much wider seam (meaning that the end finished square was smaller).
I love my Horizon for workin’ on the purses and bags that I’m creating… but geeeez, Janome, what *were* you thinking when you were calling this a quilting machine when the single hole needle plate when used with the stock 1/4″ foot ***can’t*** create a 1/4″ seam???
Really. How goofed up is that?
But for anyone reading this that is considering the purchase of one of Janome’s wide bodies…. just be sure and give ‘er a good test drive before takin’ her home. At least for me, I now know better. I can use the Clear View foot without problems… but that O2 foot is sooooo no good unless you also de-center your needle to the right. (which means you can’t use the automatic single hole needle plate gizmo)
The Horizon is an awesome machine… I still love it. Wonder if this issue has been fixed on the new 9mm wide 8200 & 8900 models? If you have one of those – report in!
Toodles,
Sally aka: RipStitcher
*Oh.. and by the way… in trying to spell “dilemma” as “dilemna” (as I was taught!) I decided to go look the word up because my spell checker bitch slapped me with “dilemna” being wrong. Nice to learn on wikipedia that half the planet was, for some unknown reason, taught the incorrect spelling.
How weird.



I am a Bernina Girl . Thus said I was teaching free motion quilting at a Quilt Shop when the 8900 arrived for the first time into the shop. Well I was asked to give the machine a going over and my opinion. Three minutes of free motion quilting and I was mentally writing a check. Both of my Bernina’s have the BRS which i s nice, but the BSR can not keep up with me sometimes and once in awhile will not play nicc with certain colors of fabric. I love the power, speed and freemotion ability of the machine. BUT I have written Janome twice to ask them,”what were you thinken’” a quilting machine that comes with a single hole plate and a quarter inch foot and they can not be used together. NUTSO! But thus said I use the 9mm plate and the O2 foot and move needle to where I want it to fall (using my little yellow/green measure thingie) and I get a perfect 1/4 scant seam. I also learned at a Babylock/Brother shop that they are all the same as the Janome they have a 9mm foot plate and use a quarter inch foot and move the needles over! The 8900 is also very nice for thread painting and paper piecing. Now I do believe the Janome feet are jickie compared to a Bernina foot ,But the edge foot for a Janome is 18.00 and 69.00 for the Bernina. Thus said I have every 9mm they make for th e 8900 but wil l most likely use my Berninas for everything but quilting. I have a foot fetish when it comes to machine feet, maybe it is because it is most likely the only foot race I have any chance of winning. Nice job on the explanation. But figured the person who posted this off kilter info would eventually figure out why her theory on seam allowances makes no sense.
Hi Shelly….
I just *love* your comment… thanks for popping through here!
I, too, have a terrible foot fetish.
Previous to this Janome 7700, I had a very faithful 1975 Elna Super. I owned every foot they made for that beauty. (So I’ve had this foot fetish thing for a very long time! lol)
I had taken a very long (10 year) hiatus from sewing – let’s blame it on my own Dr. Phil-like family – and when I needed something to help me be happy again, I chose to dive back into sewing.
Since getting the 7700, I also have the Babylock Ellisimo Gold… and I *honestly* didn’t buy it with any intention of sewing on it. I just wanted it for embroidery. Ha! After seeing how sweet that machine is for sewing 1/4″ seams, let’s just say I came down off of my 7700-Cloud-Nine.
Like you… I fell in love for the sheer throat space, etc. And when I looked at the machine, and saw that Auto Plate Convter (aka: APC , single hole thingie) … I thought it would be great!!! And … I assume like you… I also didn’t fully assess the situation to see that it’s impossible to use it for 1/4″ seams (unless a person buys the Clear View Foot with Guide)
I still love this machine for making bags (which is my main focus lately) … but for quilting… this whole scenario with the feet, the APC, yada yada yada… is a real black eye for this machine, IMO.
Such a shame.
So Janome… WHAT WERE YOU THINKIN’???
There’s gonna be a day (when I can afford it, hopefully!) that I am going to succumb to a full fledged Bernina Foot Fetish.
These are so beautiful! I’m trynig to make just one, and the little split triangles in the corners of the center square are giving me fits! Seems no matter what I do, my machine eats them! I may have to put it aside until tomorrow. So frustrating!
Still after your excellent explanation there is not an accurate scant 1/4 inch foot anywhere because the seam width you need to make depends on the thickness of your thread and fabric. Janome makes an accurate 1/4 inch not your scant quarter inch or my scant quarter inch. Everybody’s settings depend upon too many variables. The only sure way to determine what needle position to use means doing a test with your fabric and thread.
GG…
I get what you’re sayin’… and it was my mistake to assume that most quilters are using quilting cottons and typical cotton threads.
You’re right.
But for the sake of the comparisons and illustrating what a total pain-in-the-butt this issue is… I think it’s safe to talk about it with the assumption of dealing with quilting weight cottons.
It’s great to hear someone else’s comments about the 7700 situation! Even though I’ve heard others talk about the problem, you do begin to feel like you are just a little crazy if you can’t achieve a 1/4″ seam (scant or otherwise!) on your 7700 quilting machine. I too am anxious to hear how the 8900 and especially the 8200 handle the situation. Today I’m piecing with my O2 foot, with the needle set at 4.5, and of course without the single hole thingie. I’m going to give the clear foot a try with the single hole thingie. I have heard that it has trouble feeding the fabric straight through towards the end of the seam, but I’ll give it a go. I have had great success with it on my 3160.
I too was taught dilemna rather than dilemma. Hmph! And to leave off the comma before the “and” in a series. So I’d say red, white and blue rather than red, white, and blue.
Happy stitching!
Thanks Lynda….
Have you tried piecing with the DFG? (Dual Feed Gizmo to me… “AcuFeed” according to Janome)
Initially that’s what I used, but I really like to use the single feed plate and I can’t do that with AccuFeed. I’m having a good experience with the Janome clear view foot without the guide. I’ve also put a doubled up command strip on my plastic bobbin cover and that together with the clearview foot’s edge gives me the scanty I’m looking for.
Given that this machine comes with a good number of presser feet, it’s a bit of a bummer that Janome doesn’t include the Clear View Foot with Guide as well.
The Clear View foot seems to be the best Janome solution to achieving scant 1/4″ seams on quilting cotton with the 7700.
Does the *1/4″ QUILTING FOOT with GUIDE * fit on the Janome 7700?
I am finally getting my sewing room back, and haven’t used my Janome in a year, but I was so disappointed with how much I spent on that machine & it didn’t make things easier. Hoping a better foot does!
Thanks!
Not sure which one you’re referring to. Are you referring to the metal “Distinctive” brand one? Or the Clear View? Both fit. But the Clear View one is the only one on my machine that will make a scant 1/4″ seam on quilting cottons with Aurifil thread *and* still be able to use the single hole needleplate feature on the 7700.
If that doesn’t answer your question, please help me out here and rephrase…
The *Distinctive* foot you hot link to…can that be used on the 7700.
Also- since I am here, have you found a way to get the machine to not sew in place when you come up to a crossing of seam allowances (the hump)? Thanks!!
The Distinctive foot (and thanks for using my link to get to it…
) … that one *does* work on the 7700… but you will have to de-center your needle just a tinch to the left to get the scant 1/4″ seam on quilting cottons.
I haven’t had a problem with my 7700 getting hung up on seams. So I have to ask: What kind of fabric and how many layers are you talking about? If you’re going over thick stuff, then take advantage of your DFG (Dual Feed Gizmo!) … the AccuFeed is a great feature on this machine.
I had one of these things, and used it all the time, and now it’s misnsig! You don’t know how many times I have looked for it. Once the dust settles around here from nesting and whenever the new baby arrives, I will do a deep cleaning of my fabric area and find this guy. I sure do miss him!